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Re: Other people's music

Postby gregwar » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:14 pm

i guess they're trying to start a documentary on frank zappa and make digital backups of his 'archive'

the house is also for sale and includes the utility muffin research kitchen (studio) which has some pretty sick gear :eek:

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/frank-zapp ... r/#slide-7

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i am interested in the director, alex winter. he's made a documentary called deep web about the silk road and the complex narratives involved (not just ulrich as a masked bandit)

especially one of his other films downloaded, from 2013 seems to be about napster and the formation of early online communities around music (later friendster, myspace and sean parker's role in Facebook and spotify)

i don't remember if it came up in the streaming thread from a while ago, but dell glover is the biggest pirate of all time. others would have stepped in but arguably he was the agent of change in the way music is consumed now.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ ... c-business
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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:54 pm

Oooo what a nice, straight-forward, no-bullshit desk. DO LIKE
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Re: Other people's music

Postby BonsoWonderDog » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:52 pm

gregwar wrote:

i don't remember if it came up in the streaming thread from a while ago, but dell glover is the biggest pirate of all time. others would have stepped in but arguably he was the agent of change in the way music is consumed now.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ ... c-business


That was an interesting read - thanks!
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Re: Other people's music

Postby soundwave106 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:47 am

ElectricPuppy wrote:Oooo what a nice, straight-forward, no-bullshit desk. DO LIKE


A Neve 5088. MUST BE NICE.

(Obviously not the original console used in the 1980s, which The Google tells me was a Harrison 4832. But nice still.)

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:37 am

So that probably cost a little bit back then, eh? I can't imagine.
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Re: Other people's music

Postby soundwave106 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:26 pm

According to this Mix magazine article the original Utility Muffin Research Kitchen cost between 1.5 and 3.5 million in 1979. That includes the "putting in the basement" part etc. but, yeah. MUST BE NICE. :lol:

I do know that even the high end mixers have come down in price like all electronics... The Google / Gearslutz forums suggest you can get a basic Neve 16 channel 5088 for, oh, around $32000-$37000 or so depending on your needs. Still an OUCH but not as bad of an ouch as it used to be. I think the highest end automated consoles in the 1980s (like the SSL 4000 series) were in the $400,000-$500,000 range or so...

I imagine a heck of a lot of the SSL price was for the automation portion (flying faders, computer storage of fader position, etc.), which now comes pretty much standard on your $60 DAW. Kind of like how you can download plugins that out-spec a 1980s $100K Fairlight CMI for free these days. Ah, technology...

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ClavAnother » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:46 am

CastleBar™ taboot

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:46 am

Hmm. Not sure I cared for that rendition. But nice of ya'll to share, yo. :thu:
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Re: Other people's music

Postby ClavAnother » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:02 pm

Yeah but it's a CastleBar clav dude. :idk:
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Re: Other people's music

Postby christianrock » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:17 pm

A Clav with a whammy bar? Cool, what are they gonna think of next? :lol: (cooler than a D-beam for sure...)

I thought that was sweet. But then... I liek teh bloos!
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Re: Other people's music

Postby ClavAnother » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:06 pm

Bob Castle was modding clavs in the 70s. I'm not certain that his is one of them, or a recent adaptation to the idea. But imo he plays it well.
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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:13 pm

I think John Medeski (of Medeski, Martin & Wood) plays a clav with one of those whammy bar thingies. I like some of their stuff.
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Re: Other people's music

Postby christianrock » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:43 pm

ClavAnother wrote:Bob Castle was modding clavs in the 70s. I'm not certain that his is one of them, or a recent adaptation to the idea. But imo he plays it well.


He does, indeed. The other guys also do a great rhythm section that lets him just let loose on the Clav and vocals. Great sound.

ElectricPuppy wrote:I think John Medeski (of Medeski, Martin & Wood) plays a clav with one of those whammy bar thingies. I like some of their stuff.


I have some of their older stuff (from the 90s) but haven't heard any newer stuff. I might have to check them out.
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Re: Other people's music

Postby soundwave106 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:35 am

ClavAnother wrote:Bob Castle was modding clavs in the 70s. I'm not certain that his is one of them, or a recent adaptation to the idea. But imo he plays it well.


There's a guy called Ken Rich that apparently sells them.

New to me and I likes the idea. It allows your keyboard to have MAXIMUM FUNKY WANK POWER!!! :jam:

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:38 am

ooooo ACRYLIC CLAV...! DO WANT
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Re: Other people's music

Postby Plink Floyd » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:44 am

Ya those r cool. But I becha hazta tune it alla tiem.

And +1m for Med Martin & Wood.

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ClavAnother » Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:13 pm

I like MMW, but I still get a bit annoyed when medeski plays with oven mitts on his hands. I did enjoy when John Scofield tamed them and made a couple records.

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Re: Other people's music

Postby ClavAnother » Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:16 pm

soundwave106 wrote:
ClavAnother wrote:Bob Castle was modding clavs in the 70s. I'm not certain that his is one of them, or a recent adaptation to the idea. But imo he plays it well.


There's a guy called Ken Rich that apparently sells them.




Zomg. I have to install that in my clav!
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Re: Other people's music

Postby ElectricPuppy » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:06 pm

Listening to Coltrane's Giant Steps, again. It always bugged me that I couldn't figure out the chord changes, so I found them in a book I had and tried to learn it over the weekend.

Ye gods.

it's very disorienting, because the key keeps changing by a major third. To my uneducated ear, it sounds like there's no "center" to the piece, makes it hard to play intuitively.

Anyway. :grin:
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Re: Other people's music

Postby christianrock » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:24 pm

ElectricPuppy wrote:Listening to Coltrane's Giant Steps, again. It always bugged me that I couldn't figure out the chord changes, so I found them in a book I had and tried to learn it over the weekend.

Ye gods.

it's very disorienting, because the key keeps changing by a major third. To my uneducated ear, it sounds like there's no "center" to the piece, makes it hard to play intuitively.

Anyway. :grin:


Yes, I gave up on Giant Steps a long time ago, back in the 90s when I was in a band with Sean Malone and he had just released his Cortland album, in which he recorded his version. I hadn't really appreciated just how complex that song is, until I heard him playing it and improvising over the chords... just insane.
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