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Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:31 pm
by christianrock
Well, they are all the same for the most part, even though they sell it as Panasonic, Canon and Nikon.

These companies (and Olympus, Pentax or Fuji which sell slightly different superzooms but they're just variations of the design) don't actually make compact cameras anymore. They just rebrand the ones that are designed by this chinese company, in the case of these superzooms I think it's called JK Imaging. And they actually do a better job than these brands would. If anyone has any questions about that, look at images from more premium compacts with small-ish sensors such as the Olympus XZ-2 and Pentax MX-1 (also rebranded chinese products). These cameras almost rival much more expensive stuff like the Sony RX100 in terms of image quality - and in some cases the images that come out are actually better, especially at lower ISOs - though they can get to ISO 3200 and still give good images, something fantastic for a small-ish sensor camera (thanks to a technology called BSI - Backside Illuminated sensors, which is still making its way into larger sensor cameras).

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:27 am
by ClavAnother
1. Where is the dslr thread? Or is this it and retro is up to his old change and rearrange thread game?

2. This thread = tldr

3. Serious question: what is the micro korg equivalent of dslr, or better, but lol don't want to pay a lot...

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:08 am
by Plink Floyd
ClavAnother wrote:1. Where is the dslr thread?
Metro felt it wasn't developing the way it should. He had negative feelings about it because it was underexposed.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:27 am
by ElectricPuppy
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Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:56 am
by ClavAnother
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Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:56 am
by ClavAnother
3) serious q...

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:33 am
by Plink Floyd
OH NOES DOUBLE BABBY BARRAGE!

YEEP!!

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:31 pm
by soundwave106
ClavAnother wrote:3) serious q...


Digital camera classes "a step below" DSLR:
1) "Mirrorless" cameras (more of a DSLR alternative as these can be pretty pricey too, just not usually *super* pricey like top end DSLR)
2) Point and shot cameras with bells and whistles (such as BIG ZOOM LENSES or more adjustable settings)
3) Er... point and shoot cameras (why bother when you have SmartPhone?)

So... er... there really isn't an equivalent to Microkorg that I can think of. :idk:

The cheapest way into DSLR is to buy an older base. Prices fall off really steeply. Of course after that there's the lenses...

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:08 pm
by ClavAnother
So a D3100 isn't a micro korg??

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:44 pm
by christianrock
D3100 is a fine camera. It's better than a lot of the stuff out there.

If you want to also do video there's better options, but only because the D3100 is older so video isn't up to current specs.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:20 pm
by soundwave106
ClavAnother wrote:So a D3100 isn't a micro korg??


It's not quite the same because of how much glass makes a DSLR.

With a D3100, you can use the stock lens (usually stock lenses are only "okay").

Glass wise, the extremes tend to be a few cheapie but awesome lenses that are usually fixed focal point. (50mm fixed lenses usually are cheap -- as in, $100ish -- and a significant upgrade from stock.)

At the opposite end, you have the $18000 fixed focal telephoto lens. So big and expensive, most of the Amazon reviews are not srs. (These type of lenses are mostly used by corporate-chartered pros in wildlife photography and especially sports. Mostly Canon lenses; the Nikon super-teles are priced too damn high. :cool: )

My current lens range is a couple of nice mid-priced zooms (one "general", one 70-300), and a fixed 50mm. Also one Canon "pancake lens". It's small and cute and works great and... maybe this iz equivalent of camera Microkorg? :lol:

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:34 pm
by christianrock
The first prime lens for an APS-C camera like the D3100 should be the 35mm 1.8 (around 200 dollars), not the 50. The 50 is too long on those cameras, it's like a tele lens. Having said that I use my 50s a lot, but the 35 gets more use.

But unless one has a lot of expectations from their photography, the kit lens should be pretty much fine.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:09 pm
by BonsoWonderDog
OASYS

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:31 pm
by ElectricPuppy
too expensive

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:04 am
by Plink Floyd
The microkrog of cameras is any good point & shoot. Just like a good synther can make very fine noices with a MK, a good pic taker can get great results with a ps.

I've taken lots of technically good pics with ps cams. I've even slaved multiple studio flashes with them & other strange things.

I can't prove this, but my feelings feel that a good ps must be better than a phone cam. If for no other reason than moar glass.

The main reason I finally gave in to DSLR GAS is because of the good video specs they boast. Plus I already had lots of Canon SLR gizmos that would work with DSLR.

The next lens I want is one of those 28mm pancakes. I think that would be a really good choice for a run & gun viddy rig.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:58 pm
by christianrock
Plink: the pancake is the 24mm 2.8, it's pretty good and pretty cheap too. It gives you like 38mm equivalent in the Canon T3i, so it's a normal-wide lens, not really a wide lens. But it should be a lot of fun and all you need. The Sony point and shoot I had for years had a 38mm equivalent, by coincidence. We made it work just fine.

Clav. If you have a low budget and no video needs, get an older camera with a manual lens to play with. This is my most used setup:

Pentax K20D (will cost you about 200-250 dollars).
Lens: Rikenon XR 50mm f1.4 (will cost you about 50-60 bucks) - it's a totally manual lens other than aperture automation, meaning you have to learn to use the camera's manual mode. And focus manually. But it gives you these kind of results (after doing some post processing of course):

Imagesidewalk vase by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Imageby the post by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Imagedogwood time by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Imageready to fly by ChristianRock, on Flickr

(the last one was cropped)

The kit lens (18-55) will usually come free with the camera at that price, and is an ok lens as long as you learn to live with its limitations, which is, if you are indoors, you will have to use the camera's flash pretty much all the time (or get a dedicated flash and bounce it if you feel fancy, my 25 dollar Pentax vintage flash works great). But at least you'll be able to use the Program (auto) modes.

My most liked Flickr picture was taken with the kit lens:

ImageSitting Pretty by ChristianRock, on Flickr

This is also the kit lens:

ImageFlamingos by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Just like with Nikon, there's a 35mm lens for Pentax that is a "normal lens" (equivalent to that 50mm lens that your dad or grandpa had on their film cameras, and that was all they needed!). But the Pentax version is cheaper than the Nikon and just as good. On Amazon right now you can get it for 146 new or 118 used. The price fluctuates and it's not uncommon for Amazon to sell it for 125 if you wait a little. It's a GREAT lens and lives on my wife's Pentax K-r (which is newer than my K20D, has video capabilities with manual focusing, and can be found for about 250-300 - though I found mine for 150 on Craigslist).

This is that 35mm lens on the K20D:

Imagebee by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Imagepescadores by ChristianRock, on Flickr

Imagelooking back by ChristianRock, on Flickr

This last one was cropped down a lot and still looks sharp enough.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:03 pm
by selfinflikted
CR, those look fantastic!

But, what have I told you about putting your subject center frame? :mad:

(j/k man, they really do look great!!!)

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:53 pm
by ElectricPuppy
Very nice shots, CR!

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:07 pm
by christianrock
selfinflikted wrote:CR, those look fantastic!

But, what have I told you about putting your subject center frame? :mad:

(j/k man, they really do look great!!!)


It depends on what you're trying to shoot, and how artsy you want to be... and I was probably a bit lazy with the composition. Meh.

The bird, for one, had to be in the center because of the way the lines converge... but I could have worked more on the branch, for example.

Duly noted.

Re: The Photography Thread

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:08 pm
by selfinflikted
I was honestly only joking man. I can tell, that even since this thread was started, that you've improved greatly on your product. These are fantastic, and worthy of any magazine. :)

ESPECIALLY the one of your son there. His eyes are magical.