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Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:03 pm
by christianrock
PG8X huh? Sounds neat...


Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:13 pm
by christianrock
It's amazing what is out there now for free.

Fur fun and giggles, there's a vocaloid free software out there now called Alter/Ego, that was used to make this:



For singing it's more of a novelty, but I could see it being used to program melodies with aaahhs and ooooooohhs

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:17 pm
by christianrock
Also, this free VST synth looks seriously cool with tons of modulation options:


Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:25 pm
by christianrock
I think Metro will enjoy these... first a free great sounding wavetable synth... Windows only.



This second one might not have as many sounds in it but the waveshape editing is pretty cool...


Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:08 pm
by christianrock
Free DX7-based Dexed has a seriously cool interface for a 6-OP synth.



In the meantime, over at KVR, Synth1 continues to be the most popular soft synth, now running for what, decades?

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:27 pm
by soundwave106
christianrock wrote:For singing it's more of a novelty, but I could see it being used to program melodies with aaahhs and ooooooohhs


As far as vocal synths go, I like the approach taken by Wolfgang Palm's Phonem VST. Yes, the core engine is a vocal synth (exciter + 12-stage resonator)... but the exciter can be replaced by wavetables or samples, and the editing is more open. Less novelty there as you can generate weird alien sounds as well as nice resonant pads.

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:50 pm
by christianrock
soundwave106 wrote:
christianrock wrote:For singing it's more of a novelty, but I could see it being used to program melodies with aaahhs and ooooooohhs


As far as vocal synths go, I like the approach taken by Wolfgang Palm's Phonem VST. Yes, the core engine is a vocal synth (exciter + 12-stage resonator)... but the exciter can be replaced by wavetables or samples, and the editing is more open. Less novelty there as you can generate weird alien sounds as well as nice resonant pads.


Do you have Phonem? 119 euros... not quite as cheap as this other one :/

Also: LMMS is now available for Windows, when did that happen? I think I'll install that and the PG8X on my work computer. Maybe also Synth1. Good idea, or recipe to be fired? :lol:

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:40 pm
by ElectricPuppy
A recipe for AWESOME, son. :thu: Do it, and blast your coworkers with synthy waves of bliss!

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:13 pm
by christianrock
I'm SO totally going to do this. :giddly:

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:26 am
by soundwave106
christianrock wrote:Do you have Phonem? 119 euros... not quite as cheap as this other one :/


Not yet... I was just impressed by some of the patches others have created. Maybe some day, but as you say 119 euros.

Free is always awesome as long as you are selective on your freebies. I personally am not a Synth1 fan (it was good "back in the day", but now?), but PG8X has been in my plugin folder for a while, it's good sounding to me. The other freebies I have are OBXD, TyrellN6, Tone2 Firebird, TX16W, a bunch of TAL stuff (Noisemaker, BassLine, Elek7ro, U-NO-62) and Reaper's freebies.

What I've used? PG8X occasionally, OBXD occasionally, U-NO-62 occasionally. :idk:

That being said the Dexed demo in particular seems to fulfill a gap that I don't have, namely, a DX7-harshy-belly type synth. Coolness, will need to download. (insert thumbs up smiley here)

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:22 pm
by gregwar
so i just looked through this thread and didn't see an SY66 post

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http://www.weirdingmodule.com/?page_id=2

its an incredible reaktor module based off the yamaha SY and TG 77. version 1.5 works with reaktor 6

SY66 is an advanced Phase or Frequency Modulation (FM) synthesizer for Native Instruments Reaktor. It can be played with a midi controller, or your own voice and comes with a wide assortment of sounds designed to take advantage of a standard 8 knob hardware format. These macro knobs control different aspects of the synthesizer and give the artist and performer a chance to be creative without being mired in details and parameters. Just load, play and twist for fun!


i had a TG77 in my rack for a few years and was blown away by the depth of it. it combined a romper with fm like a lo-tech version of yamaha's new motif montage synth that has me gassing hard!

i found the TG ridiculous to program from the front panel lol but this reaktor version is also seriously complex under the hood. still, these kinds of synths are always much easier to understand on a bigger screen than a little lcd. the tab layout and macros of the SY66 really help a lot too

here's weirding module's soundcloud for demos
https://soundcloud.com/weirding

happy synthing this weekend :like:

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:56 pm
by christianrock
So. I totally did it. I installed LMMS on my computer and I'm creating some beetz. I also installed PG8X and some other VSTs including a few compressors, limiters and EQs from a "best of" list of freebies. I'm slowly figuring things out. Some VSTs installed presets, others failed... So all I've done so far is create some 4 on the floor beats :lol: Being FL-Studio like, that's what it's for...

A bit of reading the online documentation will be necessary, before I create anything of worth. A small USB keyboard with minikeys that I can hide in my drawer and bring out at lunch time might also be needed.

I'm liking this.

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:51 am
by ElectricPuppy
Dude. :clap: I like to hear this, I do.

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:50 pm
by christianrock
We had meetings today so I haven't played with it. I did download a couple more freebies tho :lol:

I think I have enough now, I really need a small portable keyboard. But instead I just bought a new lens... well, traded up is the correct word...

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:58 am
by gregwar
Chromaphone 2



version 1 is incredible for physical modelling, one of the best plug-ins ever

super looking forwards to trying this !!

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 4:50 pm
by gregwar
so PG8X is now at version 2.0

it was fully rewritten super excited to try it!!

they dropped AU support but there's a Win and Mac VST version (32 & 64). I'll have to load it in live but can't complain it's FREE!!!!1

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2016/05/ ... -by-jx-8p/



I've also been messing around with Serum and watched the Serum Explored tutorial on ask.audio.

it's an incredibly deep wave table synth with specialized wave import, morphing, FFT tools, etc. I was thinking of importing the galbanum architecture waveforms but I can't remember if I have the absynth edition or raw wavs.

there's no real arp or sequencer like alchemy but the detune, sub and noise modules are very deep. for example you can add prophecy or other background noise like the Juno chorus. the noise can be a 1 short or loop to dirty up clean waveforms.

only 1 filter (and one in master fx) that combines hp/lp and other modes like reverb (?). 4 lfos that can be dragged & dropped on parameters like massive and have MSEG nodes for complex shapes. very deep and easy to use mod matrix

everything is pretty straight forward and well thought out imo. there's tons of preset and wave packs on rekkerd. Serum seems to be a hit with edm producers and no doubt this is because Steve Duda is a cofounder of xfer records, the guys who make this plugin.

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Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:23 pm
by gregwar
so i checked out the new arturia v collection 5. these are my initial impressions

the new guis and resizing features are great, high definition images even when you zoom right in. the patch browser is also a huge upgrade as is the ability to turn off animation for some plug-ins.

I am finding that certain plug-ins are surprisingly distinct from one another with their own character. as for the electro-acoustic instruments like eps and organs I'm kind of meh. if that's your jam then I'd say they're passable and kind of have some of their inspirations character (?) but I've never had an interest in say a farfisa organ or whatevs.

the physically modeled piano wasn't super amazing but it could work in a mix. I can think of a dozen kontakt libraries that are much better especially for avant guarde stuff like una corda. I think as a physically modeled instrument there weren't all the parameters I'd like to see like indefinite string length, different hammer/pluck stuff, etc. something like chromaphone or logic's sculpture can get much more interesting timbres in my preliminary experiments.

anyways, i'm much more interested in the synths and found the quality from plugin to plugin does vary quite a bit. for example they revamped the minimoog (which I got for free a couple years ago) and especially the filter sounds way better, like pretty much in monark territory. I think it sounds better than the newish SEM even. others on gs have asked for higher internal sampling modes like diva.

the Jup-8, cs-80 and prophet are all kind of meh, especially the filters. same with 'poly' mode on most of the mono synths. I think they should do what the op-x pro II does and actually model the individual voice cards slop instead of just using a multiplier thing (afaik they don't do it like the op-x). I assume it would take a lot more cpu but if all these parameters had a very slight wobble like filter cutoff tuning, panning, etc and not just a general 'slop' control it would sound so much more alive imho.

the best way to do this would be to load up 4 instances of say the SEM in a stack and subtly detune different parameters randomly as you play massive pads. each note in the pad would be a different midi channel and with some pan settings you could get just a huge sound. I can use the slate virtual tape or uad vsm-3 but adding in those eq and saturation curves doesn't work if the sound is fairly sterile with no motion to begin with.

on the gs threats people have a/b'ed the new v collection 5 vs 4 and maybe even older versions and found no updates to the sound engines in the jup-8, cs-80, prophet, etc. the demos online of the new hardware synths like the dsi ob-6 of sc prophet 6 just completely blow away arturia's poly synth offerings. even logic's newer stock plug-ins like alchemy, retro synth, etc completely blow these legacy arturia sound engines away so far.

its very reminiscent of ten years ago when plug-ins just plain sucked and they all needed to be seriously updated. the current arturia poly synths are still seriously weak and thin sounding in my initial tests. there are some nice sub-bass tones out of the jup-8 that surprised me but the tal-u-no lx 2 or op-x pro 2 Jupiter bank are much better. I def don't think these old plug-in engines are worth buying and wish the a-la-carte pricing for arturia was more competitive in some ways.

i'll write more about the synclavier (amazing) and matrix 12 when I have more time, this is just my first impressions. cheers

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Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:53 pm
by MetroSonus
https://soundcloud.com/stereog/sets/2015-softsynth

Here's a really good sounding modular plugin I was just reading about on KVR. It reminds a bit of Roland's system 100m plug in, but a little brighter / cleaner.


I didn't really find anything interesting in the arturia plugins interesting except for the matrix. It seemed to have the most sound to it to me,although I have no idea how close it gets to a real one.

In the meantime, over at KVR, Synth1 continues to be the most popular soft synth, now running for what, decades?


don't taze me bro, but I never cared for synth 1. It just has that generic synth edit sound to it.

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:49 am
by gregwar
so the l22 mic modelling system seems to be coming out at the same time as the slate one

promo vid:


definitely sounds like a microphone

the plug-in is free and can apparently work with any mic but the results are mixed.

i was thinking with a clear and fairly neutral mic like the neumann tlm 103 this could be cool to add subtle harmonics but some experimentation would be required.

some of the biggest features are the directional information processing and they sell a dual channel mic, so using a single channel won't help with that.

Re: Best of the Best: Mixing Plug-ins and Techniques

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:09 am
by gregwar
so i was updating my slate plug-ins v tape, v console, v mix rack, v bus comps and reading gs when i realized sound toys sie-q is free right now ($129 value). Oct 13 might be the last day :idk:

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its sounds very decent for a simple eq ! cranking the high end on some synth sources sounded very pleasing without the harshness of yesteryear. the low band is a little too basic for anything specific but a little bit adds a nice fullness to arps on the pg-8x and op-x pro 2. (for super serious 808 bass tuning i use the uad VOG)


as for using the slate stuff on synths revival (free) is ok and i haven't found a decent use for the monster (also free) but they both really shine on drums. the monster is an emulation of the "all buttons" 1176 smash mode. it has a mix knob for parallel compression and its fairly easy to get the drums exploding. i still prefer a touch of the sausage fattener on synths (a little bit goes a long way!)

the virtual channel is part of the mix rack now. i don't use it as much because of this although i still have the stand alone (non-mix rack) version. its a very good and subtle tone shaping tool especially near the red but not quite clipping. I have the api, neve, and ssl channel strips with my uad apollo and adding the slate virtual channels can help accentuate those characteristics.

the virtual tape machine has been getting a lot of use and it might be my fav out of my slate plug-ins. sometimes i like turning the input way down and the output way up to get a nice hiss sound. i often put it first in the chain for synths and find it adds nice tone and character. when it distorts, like many of the slate plug-ins, the saturation doesn't sound great imho so its important for me to carefully gain stage it.

with the virtual bus compressors i really like the vari-mu. it compares well to the uad fairchild and native instruments vari comp. the uad manley variable mu might be the best of the bunch imho but that's mostly on vocals. on synths i find the subtleties of these fine compressors can be lost sometimes. a decent comparison of presets from one emulation to another would be fun to do when i have more time but i suspect they're all in the same ball park and all sound terrific.


i guess in the end most synths are already slightly "dirty" and adding subtle shades of distortion can work. i don't really like adding more than one or two flavours as then it becomes sloppy overkill. there was an epic gs thread on using high end pre-amps on synths to get subtle tones this way. i've messed around with the uad neve 1073, api, 610 tube pre, etc and found the same conclusions, that its a subtle effect and its not necessary to spend $5000 on a high end pre.

this may be a bit obvious different subtle distortions work on different sources to my ears and don't add much to others. for example the vsm-3 doesn't add much to my roland jp-08 but is great on the op-x pro 2. slate revival wasn't working for me on the pg-8x but might on another source like alchemy. for fattening up synths its a lot like layering drum samples. some combinations just work better than others (and its a matter of taste) so its best just to try different things until something stands out.


fyi, the plug-ins i'm talking about are either free or i own them. slate offers a subscription model but since i take weeks and sometimes months away from the studio i've never fancied maintaining payments.