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Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:53 am
by gregwar
@ cr
i'm not sure on the specs of the camera card. as a photog you likely know much more about those than I do. I considered saving projects and sharing them with friends that way but i've been ok so far using sites like wetransfer and occasionally dropbox for smaller files.

for backups and sample libraries i use a massive external. usually i fill one up then start looking for a bigger one to expand. transfer everything over, then it dies. i've felt for a while i really should back up my current one just in case.

i've lost a bunch of internal and external drives over the years. its really shitty and sorry to hear that happened to you. especially when you're mid riff, computers can be so frustrating. i hope you can necrar the drive long enough to copy it over.

if anything i'd recommend a decent size western digital just to store everything for a while. its getting amazingly cheap these days for a 4tb+ drive.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:38 pm
by Plink Floyd
Sometime soon I've got to get a Huge HDD™ so I can start digitizing forty years of home movies on video tape.

Uhg.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:38 pm
by christianrock
gregwar wrote:if anything i'd recommend a decent size western digital just to store everything for a while. its getting amazingly cheap these days for a 4tb+ drive.


I've had 4 WD hard drives - internal and external over the course of the last 20 years. Never has one last more than 2 years. I keep going back to them after a few years thinking, they are cheap and maybe quality has improved since the last time I've used them. Nope, last time one failed, it was in 2010 and it failed the same week our laptop HD failed, so we lost the pictures from our first two years since our son was born. We recovered a bunch of them, though in less resolution. But it was my last and final try with Western Digital...

Now this Toshiba that failed was my secondary backup, the primary Toshiba (which is also smaller and a bit less capacity) seems to be holding up, thank God.

The Seagate that was my main project HD for the Mac is indeed gone. I don't have any serious project there that I need to recover but I suppose it would be recoverable if I wanted to. Just money out the window.

So last night I did some recording testing on a Lexar Professional 32Gb SD card, no problems, but I was only doing a couple tracks at a time. I won't ever write more than 8 tracks at a time (8-track interface), and if I limit myself to thinking 32 tracks total - I only had 16 in my tape days - I get basically 1Gb per track - that'd be over an hour. So I can think of a 32Gb card as a 32-track 1 hour tape, or good for a full CD project :)

Since I'm thinking about recording with some friends over the Xmas break and do maybe 4-6 songs, that's way way more than enough. Being the Lexar Pro series, I think it should last a bit more than regular SD cards. I think I'll just do SD cards from now on, for my uses, that should be enough - my libraries are already installed on the Mac anyway.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:49 pm
by christianrock
Plink Floyd wrote:Sometime soon I've got to get a Huge HDD™ so I can start digitizing forty years of home movies on video tape.

Uhg.


Always buy two... and verify them frequently. Soon (within a few years) one of them will die.

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Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:06 pm
by christianrock
So. After my music projects hard drive died, I need to add a new external hard drive to my Mac. I'm considering a simple USB hard drive this time, rather than the hybrid that failed on me. My Mac has USB 2.0 though, but I should still be able to run at least 20-30 tracks from my DAW from it, no? Any of you running a DAW with tracks on a USB drive? What's your experience like?

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:38 am
by midinut
I'm running LaCie Rugged 1TB External Drive into my MacBook Pro using Thunderbolt. It is also USB-C(?) with another adapter cord that came with it. My MBP has USB 3.0 on one side and I believe it's a USB 2.0 on the other. I'll try to test it with an older USB drive I have and let you know what I find.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:46 pm
by selfinflikted
christianrock wrote:So. After my music projects hard drive died, I need to add a new external hard drive to my Mac. I'm considering a simple USB hard drive this time, rather than the hybrid that failed on me. My Mac has USB 2.0 though, but I should still be able to run at least 20-30 tracks from my DAW from it, no? Any of you running a DAW with tracks on a USB drive? What's your experience like?


What's the bus speed on 2.0? I should know it off the top of my head but I don't.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:20 pm
by christianrock
480 Mbit/s

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:44 pm
by selfinflikted
christianrock wrote:480 Mbit/s


Hm. I'm thinking it may choke with 30 tracks going. Especially if you have plugins and effects running on them. I dunno though. I'd be interested to hear back from you on that.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:57 pm
by MetroSonus
Plink Floyd wrote:Sometime soon I've got to get a Huge HDD™ so I can start digitizing forty years of home movies on video tape.

Uhg.


I swear to god I thought you said horror and not home.

I was like that doesn't sound like plink, but damn I'm impressed.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:01 pm
by ElectricPuppy
Yesssssss.... buy moar drive storage, my minions, yesssss.... Excellent. *rubs hands*

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:02 pm
by ElectricPuppy
So I gots a Firewire interface on my RME which is 480Mb/s. I've never had it stutter, drop or click.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:42 pm
by selfinflikted
ElectricPuppy wrote:So I gots a Firewire interface on my RME which is 480Mb/s. I've never had it stutter, drop or click.


Cool. I just assumed that 480Mb/s with full 96k audio plus vsts/plugins/effects/etc would choke it down.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:42 pm
by christianrock
Right, but USB 2.0 is 480MBit/s, which is 60MB/s. So Firewire is 8x that.

My Firewire port is alreadyy being used by the Steinberg MR816, so the other ports are USB 2.0.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:45 pm
by selfinflikted
ElectricPuppy wrote:So I gots a Firewire interface on my RME which is 480Mb/s. I've never had it stutter, drop or click.


Mb = megabits

MB = Megabytes

Thanks for leading me down the garden path.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:54 pm
by soundwave106
The architecture between Firewire and USB is rather different, there's more to a protocol than raw Mb/s. Firewire has some technical advantages (full duplex for instance) compared to USB 2.0 that help it for audio applications. USB 3.0 and up is another story...

Nonetheless, (disclaimer: never tried it) Scans of 2010-era Gearslutz posts seemed to indicate that you could get pretty decent track count on USB 2.0 external drives. My guess is that it's probably possible to overload it if you are also running other high bandwidth stuff simultaneously (eg if your audio interface is also USB 2.0) but on its own I imagine it will work well enough.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:07 pm
by christianrock
selfinflikted wrote:
ElectricPuppy wrote:So I gots a Firewire interface on my RME which is 480Mb/s. I've never had it stutter, drop or click.


Mb = megabits

MB = Megabytes

Thanks for leading me down the garden path.


Ugh yes you are right. Yes I got confused.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:37 am
by Plink Floyd
christianrock wrote:Right, but USB 2.0 is 480MBit/s, which is 60MB/s. So Firewire is 8x that.

My Firewire port is alreadyy being used by the Steinberg MR816, so the other ports are USB 2.0.
Do you want moar firewires? If your mac has an empty pci slot you can add four moar ports for pretty cheap. I've installed a handful of them in the last few years. If you get one, some people say you should stick with the Texas Instruments chipset, which this one has. I've had trouble with the off brand ones.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:40 pm
by christianrock
I don't think I can fit that in my laptop... sounds good for a desktop Mac.

Re: My DAW considerations thread.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm
by Plink Floyd
christianrock wrote:I don't think I can fit that in my laptop... sounds good for a desktop Mac.
The underlying technology that makes it sound good for a desktop mac will sound the same in any environment. Like the difference between hardware DSP and softsynth. After all it's just 1s and 0s.

Unless you can find an old analog firewire card.





/Ken M